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I would fill out a NASA report, but not necessarily because of what
you fear. First though, was that BJC tower you were switched to
or DEN tower? Only reason I ask, and this has to do with the NASA
idea, is that I was told by a controller there that even though their
airspace goes to -80 on the charts, anyone between 75-80 they switch
to approach to work. I didnt understand it, and he concurred, no one
usually does. Not sure if he meant the half under the Class B or the
area west of it, but the Class B floor is 080 anyway. The chart would
make anyone logically conclude that BJC owns up to but not including
080 anywhere within 5 miles, and DEN approach owns 080 and
above from BJC east. It has something to do with airspace allocation
between the two and nothing to do with the Class B or anything on
the terminal chart. If you fill out a NASA form, call BJC and verify
this, this controller made it sound as everyone at BJC operates this way.

As far as what youre worrying about, DEN (NOT BJC!!) can work
you through the Class B, theyll let approach know and get approval
for it. They still shouldve told you "Cleared into Class B" even if they
got the clearance for you through Approach. Total agreement with
others here, verify it. From what I remember of my days working
at DEN Apch, the tower has its set of codes, if you were going through
there on 1200 you wouldve been busted in a big way. If you were on
one of the towers codes, and especially if the tower told approach
about you, approach (who would be the one to notify you of a
violation) would just watch you fly by. Sounds as if the tower obviously
knew who you were, and probably approach as well, and if there
was any problem they wouldve had you call in. Many of those
violations are handled by a phone call and nothing else.

For the approach to ship you to tower is nothing odd. Tower, unlike
most towers, owns out to 10 miles there. Im assuming you were
staying below Class B until the DEN 10NM circle. At that point
the tower sort of becomes a tracab, they have you on radar, and
approach has to stay out of there, except for operations into BKF,
Aurora, and FTG.

Does the tower still have to give you the right phraseology, you bet.
Do you have to get the clearance? Yep. Are you in any trouble?
Highly unlikely. Sounds like everything was done the way that
airspace was set up to run, except for one bit of phraseology by
the tower controller.

PS: going around via Platte Valley or a clearance at the bottom of
Class B near Van -Aire sounds simpler. Good luck trying your
route when 7/25 are being used.
Chris

"Kitepilot" wrote in message
news:1PMU6.1193$eZ6.193227@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> Jeffco is approximately 10 miles West from Denver International class B
> airspace. Front Range (FTG) is clear under that airspace like 10 miles
> southeast from DIAs runway. Flying from Jeffco (BJC) to Front Range on
the
> South side makes you travel through Buckley or Centennial class D
airspace.
> Pretty much a trip around the planet. To the North is not that
complicated
> but is a long shot too nevertheless.
> (See a VFR terminal area chart for a clear description, please)
>
> So I asked Jeffco to help me clear my way across DIA and they authorized
my
> frequency change as I was on initial climb. I called DIA and asked for
> permission to go across and was told to remain outside of the airspace.
So
> I turned north resigned to go around...
>
> Two minutes after that, I was told to change to tower frequency that they
> will guide me through the airspace. As soon as I contacted tower I was
> given a vector straight into the airspace. So I turned East and had a
> hallucinating flight over the DIA control tower on a beautiful sunny
day...
>
> I was never told "clear into class B airspace" though... :(
>
> I know I should have asked, but I also know that this people are busy. I
> didnt want to overload them (and probably piss them off too) asking a
bunch
> of questions. I was given a vector and I assumed that that was an
implicit
> clearance.
> Was it?
> Am I in violation?
> Should I fill a Nasa form?
>
> Lawyers are the guys that will take you out of problems that you woulndt
> run into if there were no lawyers...
> God, keep me away from them... :)
>
> Enrique A. Troconis
> http://kitepilot.com/
> http://kitepilot.com/viking/
>
>
>
>

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