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Subject:Re: Hey McNicholl-
From:Newps
Date:Thu Jun 13 20:21:26 2002


Warren Jones wrote:

>
> >
> > Better check your figures again. Lots of tower controllers are making six
> > figures.
>
> There are approx 10,000 tower ATCS in the system. How many of them make
> over 6 figures? Most are ATC-7s, 8s, 9s and 10s, arent they? Yall
> bagging 6 figures as 7s? Man! Well then, I guess you pay cash for your
> toys like we do.

At least a third of our ATC-7s are over $100K gross. I will be there shortly.
I would imagine there are many more 8s and 9s.

>
>
> I went to the Center because enroute was the kind of ATC I wanted to
> practise, plus my ego is so big I wanted to either play in the majors or not
> at all. It was at the tippy-top of the ATC payband too and the money was
> (still is) attractive.

I looked at the centers and decided that wasnt what I thought about when I
thought about ATC. Not even the same job. Not sure what the cost of living is
in Atlanta, but if it is anywhere near what MSP is like you need a hell of a lot
more money just to break even. I would need at least $50K more per year to get
the same standard of living in MSP as I get here in BIL.

> Plus, I wanted a security clearance

I got one of them, doesnt everybody?

> and a place
> that I could work that probably would still be there after I put in my 25
> years [IE-no moving]. At the time, FAA was still pushing ISSS/AAS and was
> broadcasting to one and all that the Tracons would be closed and
> consolidated with the Centers.

I remember looking at the sector suites at ZMP when I went for my interview in
1987. Another boondoggle.

>
> >
> > Privatization will not ever happen, except to the smaller towers.
>
> I agree that the Centers wont go private. However, I wouldnt feel safe in
> any tower cab even if it has a radar room. Down here, they split two Level
> 2 terminal facilities into tower and tracon, then contracted the towers and
> consolidated the Tracons with Atlanta Approach. I smell more of this
> coming, and they wont stop with Level 2.s Level 3s are next IMO.

In the big cities, maybe.

>
>
> Well, Im jealous! My working conditions will continue to deteriorate for
> the next 6 years at least, even if FAA hired 100 new controllers just for
> ZTL. The real irony is that the FAA Southern Region is officially
> overstaffed by 3 controllers, hehehe.

When I moved here it was only going to be for a couple years to get radar. At
the time I wanted to move to RSW. Same problem, Southern region is
overstaffed. So I went and visited the manager at St. Thomas. All he could
offer me was a permanent position, while all the others were on 3 year
contracts. No thanks. Maybe when I want to retire Ill go to an island. Then
FXE called and the manager said she got approval to move in three IPPs and I
was first on the list. Too late, I had my 182 by then and realized how good the
flying weather is here.

> Theyre mostly in tower garden spots
> too. We cant move tower guys out of their garden spots without paying the
> move, and even if we could, who would get ordered to transfer? We have a
> lot of training failures here and if you wash out you can just return to the
> facility you came from. Who in their right mind wouldnt take the payed
> move, pocket the money, wash out of the center and return home a little
> richer?
>
> Good luck with getting reclassed.

We already got reclassed once. We were one of the 13 or so facilities that got
screwed during the initial change to this pay system, and were involved in the
lawsuit against Uncle Sam. A couple years ago we got what we should have had
all along, as well as a fat back pay check, plus interest.




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